Ron Paul’s Homosexual Surprise Causes Exodus Of Faithful Followers Of Christ

June 15, 2011 1:04 pm 53 comments

For a long time, Ron Paul has been promoting himself as a conservative evangelical Christian. Many of the followers of Christ have come to his side and supported his campaign against all odds. Even after only gaining .05% of La and 2.5% of Montana in his last bid, his Christian support remained intact.

Now a recording of Ron Paul regarding his homosexual dilemma has loving followers of Christ abandoning his campaign. While Anthony Weiner can send out x-rated pornographic photographs of himself to girls of all ages via his twitter mobile and still keep 53% of his democratic party voters still in his camp, Ron Paul does not have such a luxury, since he touts himself as a “conservative Christian”.

Here is Ron Paul in his own words:

Many Christians who have fallen for Ron Paul’s carefully crafted words, often continue to support him because he loves to quote scripture and founders of our nation. For those with discernment, it is clear that he is constantly selectively quoting The Word of God out of context to try to persuade those who cannot see through his games. When called on his views, he will change the subject to try to make it sound like he is for State’s rights and the constitution and carefully avoids where his radical immoral views lead him.

In the past, Ron Paul has carefully manipulated his audience to even have Christians believe that homosexual marriage is a State’s rights issue. But as reported in that outstanding scholarly work in Salvo magazine, “what’s in contention is whether the government should force everyone to recognize such “marriages.” Far from being a liberating thing, the forced recognition of same-sex “marriage” is a governmental intrusion of monumental proportions.” Ron Paul will say he agrees with this statement, then contradicts it by confusing his support for homosexuality as an inborn right with State’s right.

What Ron Paul fails to expound upon, is that there are no laws preventing private organizations from conducting marriage ceremonies even for those caught in the awful addiction of homosexuality.

Same-sex couples, or any other combination of people, animals, and inanimate objects, can and do “marry” in this way. What the law in most states currently does not do, however, is force third parties—individuals, businesses, institutions, and so on—to recognize these “marriages” and treat them as if they were exactly the same as traditional marriages.

Freedom of choice is precisely what the advocates of same-sex “marriage” want to destroy; they want to use the government’s power to force everyone to recognize same-sex unions as marriages whether they want to or not.

The effects of such coercion have already been felt in some places. Adoption agencies, for example, like any other organization, ought to be able to choose whether to give children to same-sex couples, or not. But in Massachusetts, where same-sex “marriage” has been declared legal, these agencies have been forced to accept applications from same-sex couples or go out of business (of helping the poor orphans).

But Ron Paul’s arguments in this area have duped his followers as the have in other areas. Ron Paul will claim to be prolife while trying to defend the rights of State government to promote murder of little children. His followers will attack Abraham Lincoln for defending freedom from slavery for all Americans by attacking President Lincoln for not holding to Ron Paul’s “State’s rights” views. He will quote Thomas Jefferson but carefully run away from the historical fact that Thomas Jefferson ordered sending our troops to foreign lands to attack muslims even without congressional approval. Ron Paul will defend muslim rights to hide osama bin laden and condemn our troops for attacking osama bin laden because he was on foreign soil. Even with all these contradictions to his propaganda, some continued to call Ron Paul a “conservative” of some kind.

However, in this interview, he has gone too far for even his most devoted followers. Here he challenges even God’s right to view homosexuality as sin. As the word is getting out on this Ron Paul interview attacking God’s view on homosexuality in favor of Ron Paul’s own “complex” perverted view, faithful followers of Christ are showing that they have had enough of his contradictions as they walk away from supporting his campaign. As with all cult followers, once they stop following him, they begin to see all the flaws and contradictions in Ron Paul’s other dogmatic arguments.  Some might continue to follow him no matter what, but for faithful Christians, the choice has been made clearer than ever, since Ron Paul believes his own views trump even God’s law of Royal Love.

As for God’s views , which do not need “defending” from Ron Paul’s attacks; when He commanded us to stay pure in love, He does not do this to condemn us, but rather for us to know what is True Love. For when I love my neighbor, I do not seek to commit sexual sins with his son or daughter, or his wife or husband or his Mom or Dad. Structures in society are not meant to stifle freedom but rather to promote true freedom of the heart to fulfill what we are made to become, more like Christ. The more we become like Christ, the more loving we become resulting in less and less desire for sins, of course including even the most perverted of sins of pedophilia and homosexuality.

While Ron Paul assumes his medical background somehow gives him an edge over God, the truth is that God made us in His Image and He knows our bodies better than all Doctors. By entering into sexual sins, we are entering into relationship with the one who wants us to run away from the blessings of God’s Love. God has called Christians to obey two commandments:

“You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets…He who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law…Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness” (Matthew 22:37-40; Romans 13:8-10; 1:22-28)

One of the great principles in rightly understanding the word of Truth in the Scriptures, is for the Christian is to study how The Holy Spirit has revealed that understanding across various geographical and time boundaries. Otherwise, every man makes up his own definition of what is right and wrong and will even try to abuse the Word of God to try to justify his own values against God’s Love and Truth. A great loving sermon on this passage was taught over 1600 years ago by the Golden mouth preacher John Chrysostom. Thanks to the great work at Calvin College, anyone can read it online.

Ron Paul would do well to stop making himself equal to God and humbly accept what The Church has revealed for the last 2000 years, for The Scriptures he quotes tells us that “The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth” (1 Tim 3:15). That Church is not based upon a modern man’s view of what is right and wrong, even if that wolf tries to hide himself as a sheep or a shepherd, but That Mysterion Church stands true to the unchanging Orthodox Faith, which declares with God’s Love that homosexuality misses the mark. Even if every clergy member in America and Europe was to wrongly try to redefine sexual sins as “good”, The Holy Spirit’s revelation to that Mysterion Church would not change.

While our government officials are called to be ministers of righteousness who punish evil and reward good (Romans 13:4) through our laws, they cannot do the work of The Body of Christ, which would lead us to fellowship with God in the Spirit of Love, and by His Grace have our hearts transformed so we would obey God not just out of fear of government authorities fulfilling their divine call, but out of a heart purified by God to want to love our neighbors.

Sexual sins are not “liberating” but enslaving. We do not need to follow Ron Paul’s European model even when it’s disguised as an American one, for where homosexual marriages have become state or federal rights, soon faithful Christians are losing their unalienable rights to life and liberty. Followers of Christ should be free to live and teach the the truth of God’s Love without fearing Ron Paul’s form of government, even when at State level.

Government has its part to play as ministers of righteousness and so does the Church. Historically, the two can work in great synergistic form, when the Government does not interfere with what Church teaches. That’s why it is given to us in our constitution that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. The Constitution does not say that we do not have rights to believe and practice moral laws and to have those moral laws as part of our governing laws, but rather that the government is not allowed to interfere with the morality taught among the faithful. In practice, this is why our constitution is not made after the failed European models whose governments are now forbidding the free practice of religion among the faithful.

As followers of Christ, we must no longer follow persons who want to slowly lead us away from our constitutional rights to finally have us live in debauchery where immorality reigns as the government structure followed arguments like those proposed by Ron Paul. Rather follow the truth of God’s Love which transcends all political and cultural changing values.

53 Comments

  • Here are a number of corrections for you, since you either deliberately lied or are simply ignorant of the facts:

    1. Ron Paul doesn’t hold himself out as a conservative Christian. He doesn’t wear his faith on his sleeve. He simply holds himself out to be a Constitutionalist.

    2. Yes, gay marriage is a states rights issue. However, as he has said often and even said Monday night, it would be best if the government wasn’t involved in marriage, and it should be between the Church and the individual. And if government is out of the business of marriage, there’s no “forced” recognition of any marriage, whether it be hetero or homo.

    3. Ron Paul is indeed pro life, and has never defended the right of a state to promote murder of little children. I can only guess you’re referring to his belief that the states should be left to decide the abortion issue instead of the federal government saying it’s legal nationwide. I suppose this is your twisted lying way of trying to make that into a bad thing. I guess you’re just fine with abortion being legal all over the nation, and perhaps you don’t understand the 10th amendment.

    4. None of his followers attack Lincoln for “defending freedom from slavery”. They attack him because his reason for the war wasn’t about slavery until the South had him against the ropes. Lincoln even said in his inaugural address that he wouldn’t invade any of the states unless they stopped paying the tariffs. And it’s not Ron Paul’s states rights views at issue, it’s states rights period. Perhaps you have a problem with states rights. Seems like you do, since you’ve spent quite alot of time arguing against it in your article.

    5. He does quote Jefferson often, and he has never run away from anything involving the Barbary Wars. Jefferson consistently deferred to Congress throughout the ordeal and sought their authorization for his actions. The argument back then was that since they declared war on us, we didn’t necessarily have to, we just needed to respond.

    6. Ron Paul has also never “defended muslim rights to hide osama bin laden”, and he didn’t condemn our troops (he disagreed with Obama). This is an out and out LIE. He said he wouldn’t have gone in the way Obama did, and that he wouldn’t have assassinated him. On a side note, Paul supported issuing letters of marque and reprisal, which would have put even more people out there trying to find him, many who wouldn’t have been tied down by certain regulations and laws.

    7. After having lied several times, you then go into a discussion about Scripture. I thought that was odd, and a bit sacrilegious. But this has been a normal practice for you for quite some time.

    8. Ron Paul doesn’t equate himself with God; he’s got a different interpretation of Scripture than you do. I don’t agree with his interpretation either, but I’m not going to lie and say Ron Paul challenges God’s right to view homosexuality as sin. Then you talk a little about loving your neighbor, but it is apparent you don’t love YOUR neighbor because you lie about him constantly. You are a liar and the truth is not in you. Who is the father of lies? Satan. Who is YOUR father?

    9. Finally, you make the illogical leap that if Ron Paul is president, somehow homosexuality will rob us of our rights and he’ll have us living in debauchery. I guess you imagine that a ban on gay marriage will make gay people stop being gay? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears that you are once again placing government in the place of God, such that we can only protect ourselves from homos through the government, not through the power of the Holy Spirit.

    I can only hope this article wasn’t written by you, but by one of your other contributors. However, this does sound alot like you because it was full of lies and misrepresentations. If you’re going to hold yourself out to be a Christian, you need to act like one, and you can start with not lying about people. It’s disgusting and pathetic. Every time I think you can’t get any lower, you prove me wrong. Also, you really need to brush up on states rights. You sounded like Chris Matthews or Rachel Maddow when you were discussing it in your article. In case you don’t know, that’s not a good thing.

  • Clint,

    Just an fyi, the “you” you are talking to is none other than:
    Author:

    AishaFoda

    For the record, I am a contributor of this site, though I have not written much. For me to write anything would be to cause a divide in the platform behind this site. I often have things to say, and I can say them well, but unless I am being direct, I get a lot of responses from people who think I’m saying something that agrees with their views when I am saying something against their views.

    Also, I’ve been very busy, and writing political philosophy in a current context without bashing every other author’s published articles is a challenge that requires a lot of time. :/

    While I agree with what you’ve written, I think you would have done better without the personal attacks. Just legislation can never save a sinner, neither can personal attacks convert a statist into a liberty-lover.

    Just my $.02.

    • Ron Paul is a troubled man he sees the world as he would like it to be not how it is,he believe s what he said and that’s my real fear his way of seeing the world is unreal,unworkable,
      And just crazy I will only name 1 how he sees Iran and the Nuclear bomb.

  • I like analogies. maybe I’ll write a reverse-scenario article sometime to show why liberty is so stinking important not to defend, even when doing so means disallowing legislation banning other moral perspectives. We should all be Jewish lawyers, so to speak.

  • This interview of Ron Paul is most troubling. Ron Paul had recently presented himself as a conservative Christian to large Christian coalition follow up group called Faith and Freedom coalition. He fooled us so much that Billy Graham consultant Brian Jacobs openly called for his support as if he was one of the faithful Christians. And as already reported, Ron Paul took millions of dollars from evangelical lobbies in Washington. If more Pastors and Christ followers knew of his open denial of homosexuality as sin and his wrong belief in this interview that God does not condemn homosexuality, they would not have allowed him to misrepresent himself as a fellow Christian. In his speech now available on vimeo, he was quoting the Bible to try to back his views and used all “the right evangelical language” to make it sound like he was one of us. I cannot imagine one faithful Christian Pastor recommending Ron Paul, unless they have decided to walk away from the Bible and the right basic understanding of the Christian belief.

    The links in this article show very soundly why Ron Paul’s other arguments jeopardize the basic rights of Christians. the homosexual lobby is not the tame cat , but a devouring lion that is not satisfied until every Christian has their rights of free speech taken away. What Ron Paul is saying in this interview is already starting to produce jail sentences for Christian who read from the Bible about the obvious condemnation of The homosexual sin. Ron Paul has a hard time defining homosexuality as sin. He should have been honest about this and not hide it from the Christian Pastors he spoke to at the recent Faith and Freedom conference; and instead of quoting the Bible, he should have done like he did here and tell us how his medical knowledge is greater than the Bible.

    • It sounds like he is a conservative Christian. That doesn’t mean that he is all-knowing and should pass judgment on people. I’m sure he doesn’t want to hear about what people do in their bedrooms. It’s unnatural for people to be so concerned about what other people do sexually.

      He made a good point – nobody’s perfect. I am a conservative Christian and choose to believe that God is a loving God and loves all of us just the way we are. He is the only one who should be passing judgment. Not any of us. Our humble job is pray to Him to save us and others from sin.

      • Lucy,

        God loves us all no matter what we are or do. This love should NOT be construed to mean acceptance for our continuing to defy his words and continuing to sin. He sent his son to erase our sins. That son also taught us to work to stop sinning. Funny how we can’t get away from the teachings that we should stop sinning yet you seem to think it is OK for people to do whatever they please?? I believe he even stated that he would not always continue to ignore our continuing to sin?

        Maybe you can explain why people accept the words in the Bible that tell us he unconditionally loves us yet you cannot accept the words that tell us to stop sinning??

        Psalms 103:9 – He will not always strive [with us], Nor will He keep [His anger] forever.

        In other words, if you do not ask for forgiveness there will come a time when you will pay for your sins. I find it very disturbing that this is being forgotten in the modern version of Christianity. You seem to believe that people can do whatever they wish forever and they will be saved anyway.

        Jesus told us:

        Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
        Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
        Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
        Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

        Here Jesus is telling us that those Commandments and Laws given to the Jews will be in effect until he returns. Jesus told the woman he saved from being stoned to go now and sin no more!! He didn’t tell her not to worry about it. The fact that Jesus changed the earthly ideal from death penalty to forgiveness in no way tells us that Homosexuality is OK. IT IS A SIN and we are to do our best to stop sinning.

        • David Russell

          Lucy, you start off with a seriously false statement. God HATES workers of iniquity. I believe that means sinners. See Psalms 5:5 and other Psalms.

  • Jason – Don’t worry about dividing the “platform” of this site. The site was created to give all “right leaning” writers a place to voice their comments and opinion.

    Each article containes the opinion of the author, not the “Patriot Statesman Platform”. We do not censor or edit the writers contributions to fit a particular platform.

    We want opinion pieces from Republicans, Libertarians, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, etc. We want open debate on all of the articles – Even among our contributors. If everyone is thinking the same way…then no one is thinking. :)

    As my good friend Bill Kneer always says, “iron sharpens iron.”

    I’m looking forward to your next article here on Patriot Statesman!

  • Mr. Clint, you represent the typical ron paul attack and rantings. You should have read the article and listen to the interview with Ron Paul before trying to comment on what had already been shown as a deception by Ron Paul performed to take millions of dollars of support as well as the votes of Christians. I agree that we should be truthful. It is Ron Paul that needs to be honest about his pro-homosexual views when he speaks to Christian audiences. He should play less politics and be more honest and tell his Christian audience that he believes they are wrong to consider homosexuality as sin and that his “medical experience” trumps what has been taught by Jews and Christians for many thousands of years.

    1. If Ron Paul does not proclaim himself as a conservative Christian, then Christian voters can leave with their money and support, allowing him to continue to receive pimps and muslims and anti-war isolationist liberals to run with.

    2. If Ron Paul’s belief that homosexuality is NOT a sin and it is as he said in the interview, an inborn right, then yes, Christians are in grave danger with his views. Just look at CA and MA and other liberal states where “State’s rights” have made homosexuality the default “right”.

    3. The foundation of our nation was based on our Creator’s unalienable rights. These rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are NOT open to be thrown out by “State” or “Federal” government! Murdering a child is murdering a child. For a Christian, obey God rather than men when men promote evil of murdering innocents (Acts 5:29). Ron Paul is “personally” prolife, but his views of “State’s rights” should NEVER include the “right” of any state to murder innocent children.

    4. I have a problem with someone lacking wisdom promoting State’s rights to slavery! It is inhuman and now that we are delivered from this evil, Ron Paul has no business trying to make it a State’s right. Abraham Lincoln is our hero. Ron Paul’s followers calling Lincoln every dictatorial name in the book reveal the fruit of Ron Paul’s messages.

    5. http://patriotstatesman.com/2011/05/remembering-the-first-american-military-warriors-who-fought-against-islamic-terrorists-from-1801-1805/ article already answered why Ron Paul quoting Jefferson to back his views, simply are factually historically inaccurate!

    6. On islam and osama bin laden, you obviously did not read the linked article: http://patriotstatesman.com/2011/05/ron-paul-if-i-were-president-we-would-not-have-gone-after-osama-bin-laden/ He equated muslim run Pakistanis hiding osama with England and wanted to get permission from the muslims to turn over osama or to allow us to go after him. Opposite approach than Thomas Jefferson! I think even the most ardent Ron Paul supporters see how this representative’s foreign policy position would put our country in even graver danger!

    7. As for Holy Scripture, if Ron Paul wants to try to manipulate Pastors in the new Christian coalition conference to try to persuade Christians, and since in this interview, he openly challenges any who hold to the Christian scriptural belief that homosexuality is sin, then of course, we must educate Ron Paul and those who hear him manipulate the Holy Word of God. Otherwise, this satanic pattern of deception will lead some followers of Christ astray like Ron Paul has already done to some!

    8. The Scriptures and Christian Faith are not open to “private interpretation”. It’s funny to hear some Ron Paul supporters join conservatives in rightly believing that the constitution is NOT a living document, but then to want to make the Christian faith and the Bible a living document to be changed according to a doctor’s views.

    9. The article linked above showed more data behind this real threat if someone like Ron Paul persuaded conservatives to join liberals in promoting this awful wicked stance. We have to respond now even as our rights are eroding. Recently:

    Recently, a Methodist organization in New Jersey lost part of its tax-exempt status because it refused to allow two lesbian couples to use their facility for a civil union ceremony. In Quebec, a Mennonite school was informed that it must conform to the official provincial curriculum, which includes teaching homosexuality as an acceptable alternative lifestyle. . . .

    And recently, a wedding photographer in New Mexico faced a hearing with the state’s Human Rights Commission because she declined the business of a lesbian couple. She didn’t want to take photos of their commitment ceremony.

    As Dennis Prager rightly noted: CA homosexual “rights” position changes American society more than any since Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Madison.”

    Prager listed some of the social changes he foresees resulting from the court’s decision:

    Outside of the privacy of their homes, young girls will be discouraged from imagining one day marrying their prince charming—to do so would be declared “heterosexist,” morally equivalent to racist. . . . Schoolbooks will not be allowed to describe marriage in male-female ways alone. . . .

    Any advocacy of man-woman marriage alone will be regarded morally as hate speech, and shortly thereafter it will be deemed so in law.

    Companies that advertise engagement rings will have to show a man putting a ring on a man’s finger—if they show only women’s fingers, they will be boycotted just as a company having racist ads would be now.

    Films that only show man-woman married couples will be regarded as antisocial and as morally irresponsible as films that show people smoking have become.

    Traditional Jews and Christians—i.e., those who believe in a divine scripture—will be marginalized.”

    On State’s rights, of course I agree, but that is within the boundaries applied by our founders and most importantly by the unalienable rights granted by our Creator that cannot be overridden by any government in The United States, without fundamentally changing our country into another nation. I like the one we have and prefer to return to many of our founding principles while support Abraham Lincoln’s justifiable war to free fellow Americans from slavery!

    I won’t have time to always “argue” with Ron Paul cultic followers who want him to be their messiah, but enough has been said by Ron Paul in this interview to cause faithful Christians to find an honest candidate that does not want to throw even God under the bus while he dogmatizes his own position as the only “conservative” one.

    • Thanks for the article.

      The point is, Ron Paul is portrayed as an evangelical Christian … which he is not. Obama played the same game with the Christian community. Before people give they unquestionable support and start foaming at the mouth … they should be aware of this.

  • I listened to the interview. I heard the interviewer trying to get Dr. Paul to cast judgment on people he didn’t know, and he would not. Sounds like he was following Scripture insomuch:

    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:1-5

    “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; Luke 6:37

    Do you think this is a good Scripture to follow? How is it not being judgmental by saying homosexuality is a sin? Who is to judge this? You are welcome to put to judge, I think I’ll leave that one up to God.

    You are correct in saying “The Constitution does not say that we do not have rights to believe and practice moral laws and to have those moral laws as part of our governing laws, but rather that the government is not allowed to interfere with the morality taught among the faithful.” — but the Constitution also says nothing about the Federal government getting involved in marriage, and it’s not. From this, how are you deriving that Dr. Paul is leading us away from our Constitutional rights? Like it or not, he has done more in support of them than almost anyone in this countries history. Yet, because he won’t judge people, and wants to follow the Constitution, you seem to think that he is trying to make himself “equal to God”?

    Some other point-for-points notes and questions:

    Title: Ron Paul’s Homosexual Surprise Causes Exodus Of Faithful Followers Of Christ

    On what measurable basis is the “exodus” claim based on?

    Re: For those with discernment, it is clear that he is constantly selectively quoting The Word of God out of context to try to persuade those who cannot see through his games.

    Where has he done this? You didn’t provide any examples or proof.

    Re: When called on his views, he will change the subject to try to make it sound like he is for State’s rights and the constitution and carefully avoids where his radical immoral views lead him.

    Sound like? He is for State’s rights. Which are his “radical immoral views”? That he won’t judge people he doesn’t know? No substance supports this.

    Re: In the past, Ron Paul has carefully manipulated his audience to even have Christians believe that homosexual marriage is a State’s rights issue.

    That’s because marriage isn’t defined as an issue in the Constitution- or can you claim otherwise?

    Re: But as reported in that outstanding scholarly work in Salvo magazine, “what’s in contention is whether the government should force everyone to recognize such “marriages.” Far from being a liberating thing, the forced recognition of same-sex “marriage” is a governmental intrusion of monumental proportions.” Ron Paul will say he agrees with this statement, then contradicts it by confusing his support for homosexuality as an inborn right with State’s right.

    Dr. Paul does not say that gay marriage is an inborn right with the State, so please do not try to say that. If you want to counter this, please provide an exact quote where he specifically says this. Ron Paul is a federal office holder. He says, as the Constitution says, that marriage is not a federal issue, and as such, the federal government should not force everyone to recognize any marriage, but they can on their own free will. The States are free to act on their own.

    Re: What Ron Paul fails to expound upon, is that there are no laws preventing private organizations from conducting marriage ceremonies even for those caught in the awful addiction of homosexuality.

    Are you saying this is a fault since he did not explain so much in the interview?

    Re: But Ron Paul’s arguments in this area have duped his followers as the have in other areas.

    How?

    Re: Ron Paul will claim to be prolife while trying to defend the rights of State government to promote murder of little children.

    How is support of States rights a support for murder? It is a logically fallacy to think there is some connection.

    Re: His followers will attack Abraham Lincoln for defending freedom from slavery for all Americans

    Can you support this claim? I’ve never seen it once. See Clint’s note on this, they attack Ab for his power grabs from the States. Do you really think that Ron Paul supporters are in favor of slavery, but don’t care about State’s rights?

    Re: He will quote Thomas Jefferson but carefully run away from the historical fact that Thomas Jefferson ordered sending our troops to foreign lands to attack muslims even without congressional approval.

    See Clint’s comment.

    Re: Ron Paul will defend muslim rights to hide osama bin laden and condemn our troops for attacking osama bin laden because he was on foreign soil.

    See Clint’s comment.

    Re: Even with all these contradictions to his propaganda, some continued to call Ron Paul a “conservative” of some kind.

    What contradictions? Your points are being refuted.

    Re: However, in this interview, he has gone too far for even his most devoted followers.

    This sounds pretty sensationalist. Have an evidence to back this up?

    Re: Here he challenges even God’s right to view homosexuality as sin.

    How do you figure? He is only saying he will not judge, he is not saying he is challenging God. How are you constructing this?

    Re: As the word is getting out on this Ron Paul interview attacking God’s view on homosexuality in favor of Ron Paul’s own “complex” perverted view, faithful followers of Christ are showing that they have had enough of his contradictions as they walk away from supporting his campaign.

    Is this a scientifically measurable claim?

    Re: As with all cult followers, once they stop following him, they begin to see all the flaws and contradictions in Ron Paul’s other dogmatic arguments.

    So are you saying that the aforementioned “faithful followers of Christ” are cult followers? It sounds like you are. Or are the cult followers only those who leave Dr. Paul but are not “faithful followers of Christ”? Please clarify.

    Re: Some might continue to follow him no matter what, but for faithful Christians, the choice has been made clearer than ever,

    Who says the choice has been made clear?

    Re: since Ron Paul believes his own views trump even God’s law of Royal Love.

    And how are you making this claim? Because he won’t judge people he doesn’t know?

    RE: As for God’s views , which do not need “defending” from Ron Paul’s attacks; when He commanded us to stay pure in love,

    So how is condemning homosexuals staying “pure in love”?

    RE: For when I love my neighbor, I do not seek to commit sexual sins with his son or daughter, or his wife or husband or his Mom or Dad

    I agree… but what does this have to do with the issue?

    I can go on, but am out of time.

    As a result of this bad and misleading hit piece I am donating $100 to Ron Paul’s campaign.

    • I agree. This exodus article is judgmental to say the least. I listened to the interview, and Dr. Paul Did not try to usurp Our Lord God. Given his background as a physician, he recognizes most peoples beliefs. As a saved Christian, and now an Orthodox one, following in the steps of the apostles..I think you shouldn’t be casting stones. Your article was one sided. and the interviewer clearly tried to put Ron between a rock and a hard place. I agree with Stan, I’m donating to Dr. Paul’s Moneybomb, and I doubt my Christian friends will change their stance either.

    • You twist the scripture to support your view. Judge not is not telling people to suspend judgement. It is an entreaty to Judge JUSTLY so that you also will be judged justly!! It also entreats the person to deal with their own sins before going after others.

      Sheesh!!!

  • Stan, please listen to Ron Paul’s own words in the first minutes of the interview. He clearly believes that homosexuality is NOT a sin and says it clearly as possible! Of course, he was trying to hide this but the interviewer was wise enough to ask Ron Paul follow up questions exposing his coverup.

    Ron Paul clearly said that those faithful believers (Jewish or Christian) who hold to the Biblical standard that homosexuality is sin, need to learn from Ron Paul’s “medical experience” that he believes homosexuality is inborn trait!

    When Ron Paul spoke to the new Christian coalition, he conveniently “forgot” to mention that he thought all the Pastors and evangelicals who were being asked to support him, were wrong in their belief.

    The issue at hand is that Christians have been bamboozled by Ron Paul and this interview, unknown to Christians who previously supported Ron Paul, should be widely disseminated so he stops deceiving faithful Christians.

    What he believes as a citizen or a candidate is his own choice, but when he wants to fool Christians to support him, by hiding his prohomosexual views, and continue to receive support from “pimping for ron paul” and “muslims for ron paul”, he is free to do so. Just ask him to be HONEST FOR A CHANGE and stop covering up his antichrist views with legitimate State’s rights issues.

  • As for “Judge only by the same measure you want to be judged”, we do not eternally condemn sinners, but call all sinners to repentance so they can experience God’s Love. It is not us that judges them, but their own words and actions that puts their hearts against God’s Love.

  • God’s Love calls us to stay pure in our heart and life. If we love our neighbors, we do not commit vile sexual acts on their sons or daughters. If we promote homosexuality as an inborn medical fact, we are lying. No one is born to commit pedophilia, adultery, bestiality, or enter into homosexual vile sins. We are made in God’s Image and called to be pure and holy and loving as God loves us.

    It is an act of deep hatred to commit vile sins on another. Homosexuality is a “progressive” movement to move further away from God’s Love and the addictive nature of sexual sins, leads one to be in bondage to evil.

    Ron Paul’s own words in this interview condemn him and he is wrong. God is Right. God is LOVE. God is Holy. Ron Paul is sadly representing antiChrist deceptive view in this interview and by hiding his prohomosexual views in his luring of Christians to his camp under the guise of legitimate State’s rights laws.

  • The interviewer asks Ron Paul if the military should be made up of people with “good moral character,” and, of course, uses this as a platform to address homosexuality. Granted, homosexuality is a sin, but why no outrage with those who commit those things with God calls abominations and hates?

    “These 6 things does the Lord hate, yes, 7 are an abomination: a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a hear that devises wicked imaginations, feet swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaks lies, and he that sows discord among brethren.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)

    Ever met these types in the military. Throw them out, or shut your hypocritical, ignorant mouth, mr. interviewer. No offense.

  • Ron Paul does not even understand the basics of Christianity; therefore he should not be preaching at Christian conferences and quoting Bible verses to lure the masses into his worldview . What the interviewer got right and Ron Paul got wrong was that Ron Paul is obviously oblivious to the reality of early Christian teachings and the faithful doctrines of Love taught by Christians in the last 2000 years. For example, a preacher called John Chrysostom said about 1600 years ago regarding this important topic:

    “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another.” (Romans 1:26-27)

    ALL these affections then were vile, but chiefly the mad lust after males; for the soul is more the sufferer in sins, and more dishonored, than the body in diseases. But behold how here too, as in the case of the doctrines, he deprives them of excuse, by saying of the women, that “they changed the natural use.” For no one, he means, can say that it was by being hindered of legitimate intercourse that they came to this pass, or that it was from having no means to fulfil their desire that they were driven into this monstrous insaneness. For the changing implies possession.

    Which also when discoursing upon the doctrines he said, “They changed the truth of God for a lie.”

    And with regard to the men again, he shows the same thing by saying, “Leaving the natural use of the woman.” And in a like way with those, these he also puts out of all means of defending themselves by charging them not only that they had the means of gratification, and left that which they had, and went after another, but that having dishonored that which was natural, they ran after that which was contrary to nature; but that which is contrary to nature hath in it an irksomeness and displeasingness, so that they could not fairly allege even pleasure.

    For genuine pleasure is that which is according to nature. But when God hath left one, then all things are turned upside down. And thus NOT ONLY WAS THEIR DOCTRINE SATANICA BUT THEIR LIFE TOO WAS DIABOLICAL. Don’t fall for the demonic deception that Ron Paul proposes in the first few minutes of this interview and you won’t have the “questions” regarding the cohesion required in our brave men and women sacrificing their lives that we might have true honorable freedom!

  • Aisha, I’m not convinced that YOU understand the basics of Christianity. Bearing false witness was a crime punishable by death under the law of Moses. If you want to get strict about specifics rather than the teachings of Jesus, you go right ahead, but recognize what you’re bringing upon yourself in doing so.

    Political policy and religious morality are rarely the same thing, and I don’t think that they should be. Instead of hating followers of another religion (also against the teachings of the Bible), maybe we should ensure the foundation and framework of our government to protect our rights to practice as we wish instead. You know, how it was originally set up to be.

    Of course, if you’d like to debate what is or is not acceptable practice of Christianity, I’d love to.

  • Jason Haeger, if you want to promote homosexuality as acceptable as Ron Paul does, you will have an impossible time with that position for among all faithful Christian heroes of the last 2000 years, homosexuality has always been consistently viewed rightly as sinful because it is an act of hatred to do such evil! Ron Paul’s medical “expertise” does not give him the right to rewrite Christian Faith and soon he will meet the King of Kings and LORD of LORDS before whom he will not be able to hide or deceive. Let God be true always.

  • .

    How could any true Christian tout Thomas Jefferson ?

    Jefferson rewrote the Bible omitting all references
    to the divinity of Jesus Christ in an attempt to
    force the Bible to fit his antichrist deist views.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

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    Message to AishaFoda:

    I love your avatar ! :)

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    You can delete this message after you read it.

    I just found this website today.

    I won’t be coming back.

    After posting on your interesting topic,
    I posted two other comments on two other
    topics but my comments were deleted/censored.

    I do love your Russian Orthodox avatar. :)

    When you become disillusioned with the
    blasphemous patriot/tea party/Jefferson
    libertines… and you will… you may
    come to understand that democracy is evil
    and the future of the planet is Orthodox
    Monarchy.

    Forget the antichrist deist Jefferson…
    forget the US constitution which does not
    bother to mention God ["creator" in the
    declaration of independence was put there
    by Jefferson, who was a deist who rewrote
    the Bible omitting all references to the
    divinity of Christ.]

    Embrace God’s Anointed Orthodox Autocratic Tsar
    and the Third Rome, Holy Mother Russia. :)

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    • I would never delete your loving and well meaning comments. The love you have shown needs to seen by all..

      Thanks for you thoughtful comments…Come back soon and show us your light..

  • Aisha, I’m sorry, but you need to realize that his own moral views on the issue are not what he is fighting for. He is fighting for the preservation of the Constitutional right of each state to make their own laws on the issue, and for individual freedom of choice – not because he is pro-homosexuality, but because he is pro-Constitution. He is not trying to attain a position as a church leader, he is trying become the president of a country that holds to the separation of Church and State. I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but I do not believe that the Federal government has the right to dictate morality. I think it would be beneficial for you to take a step back and look at the broader picture here.

  • For the poster who stated, “Judge not lest ye be judged”: God in the Bible stated that “homosexuality is wrong and a sin” and Jesus stated: “Homosexuality is an abomination”. How much clearer can that be. You said we should let God decide…well He did decide in the Bible, so people are not being judgemental when they quote what God said.

    For everybody’s information, Rick Perry has also stated that he believes that gay marriage issues and abortion issues belong in the states’ rights to decide. When two gay people get married in a state, and they decide to move, or they adopt a child or they might want to divorce and the state they moved into does not recognize gay marriage, those are some of the issues as to why it has to be a federal issue, not just for the states to decide. When I heard Rick Perry state these comments, I immediately recognize that he was a Democrat before when he was the State Chairmen for Al Gore, and he must still believe in some of their beliefs. I will not vote for any candidate who does not believe in pro-life and traditional marriage between one man and one woman. Guess that means Rick Perry is out along with Ron Paul. BTW, when Rick Perry saw what a storm he produced with his comments, he decided the next day that we should have a new amendments to the Constitution for both of these issues. How is that for being a flip flopper, especially since he has held the states’ rights believes for sometime. I just hope Christians check out his background and don’t just vote for our new Savior!!

    • “…and Jesus stated: “Homosexuality is an abomination”.”

      I’ve read the New Testament a couple times. Where does it say this? I don’t remember seeing this, at all.

      • James i am sorry if you have read and not understood. I suspect that you indeed know that in many places with in the Bible homosexuality is considered wrong.

        Many within our society today try and twist Gods word to make there personal behavior acceptable. But God has said it is wrong and since God is the same yesterday, today, and forever it is still wrong.

        Here is a bit from an article you might read..

        Much of our society has embraced many perverted sexual practices that are considered in the Bible as abominations to God. Homosexuality is among the list of deviate or abnormal sexual practices however, there are many other practices that can be included as well. Pornography, pedophilia, prostitution, bestiality, oral sex, phone sex and computer virtual reality sex, just to name a few of them.

        you can read the rest here http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=246

        there are many biblical references within the article for you to also review if you like. If you would like to learn more feel free to email me anytime at billkneer@gmail.com

        have a great day…

  • Ron Paul has stated in interviews and in recent debates that he believes life starts at conception and that he stands against abortion; he also stated point-blank that he believes marriage should be between one man and one woman. You should read and watch a little more widely before jumping to conclusions.

    • Yes, then he says its not his right to legislate on abortion..That’s like saying i am against beating my wife but i can not tell my neighbor it is wrong..

      • “I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception…I know we’re all interested in a better court system and amending the constitution to protect life. But sometimes I think that is dismissing the way we can handle this much quicker, and my bill removes the jurisdiction of the federal courts from the issue of abortion, if a state law says no abortion, it doesn’t go to the supreme court to be ruled out of order.” – Ron Paul

        Source: Speeches to 2008 Conservative Political Action Conference Feb 7, 2008

  • Rachel, if ron paul wanted to honor the constitution as you state, then he would NOT promote “separation of Church and State” since you don’t find this anywhere in the Constitution . For a more indepth study, read http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=123

  • The truth about t paul becomes more apparent with each passing day. Like with Obama he inspires fanaticism among the social left but unlike obama he inspires misdirection among the fiscal right, making him a bonafide threat to oour side. He is an anti israel isolatonist pro,gay marriage pro choice dadt flip flopping moral anarchist, and i thank you for exposing this fraud further.

  • After reading this article i am reminded that all religions have their extremists; those who will go to any length to promote their cause and cast judgment on those who don’t agree. There is no difference in your fundamentalist Christian principle than that of a fundamentalist Muslim. As a devout Christian,i am ashamed to call you my brothers and sisters. Such vile talk is of the devil. Read the Bible, understand the Constitution (and Bill of Rights), and listen more carefully to what Dr. Paul is saying. More importantly, pray, and ask for God’s will in this election. If all Christians do this, i think we’ll see Ron Paul in the Whitehouse. Thank Jesus! And i’m seeing a Herman Cain article below that says “Jesus was The Perfect Conservative”. I think all those willing to cast judgment of their own with a clear conscience will find it interesting to know that Mr. Cain just ousted one of his top advisors in his campaign because he refused to cover up the fact that he was gay. Nice!

  • Faithful followers of Christ….

    Hmmm. Lately I’ve been hearing Herman Cain and many of his supporters say that electrocuting or otherwise killing illegal aliens is a good idea. I would sure like to know where they went to Sunday School because I don’t recall Jesus taking that approach. In my church I learned that Christ restored the cut-off ear of the Roman soldier who had come to arrest him.

    Today the majority of Christians are but whited sepulchures. For all their declarations their actions towards their fellow man are appalling. They have done more to turn people away from a belief in God than any hard-core atheists such as Dawkins or Hitchens.

    You won’t find a more Christ-like candidate than Ron Paul. The man lives what he preaches.

    • Carol, what you say is just simply not true. To say that Herman Cain supporters want to kill Illegal Aliens is a lie. Making things up to support you candidate does nothing to help him.

      I will not question Ron Raul and him being Christ-Like. But i will say this. Do you think Jesus would say that it is Abortion should be legal? and yes do not try to twist the truth..Saying it is not the governments role to protect life means just that.

      Would Jesus tell all of us that Prostitution is wrong but its up to a women because its her body?

      Would Jesus say that we should legalize drugs?

      Would Jesus say not to help your neighbors? Only help yourself?

      I will judge people by there fruits..

  • Question: If Ron Paul was informed on the history of homosexual activism and was taught that scientific studies on homosexuality are flawed and biased… if he learned that homosexuality was harmful to the individual and to society… If he changed his views on homosexuality, would all of you support him?

    Honestly I find this article slanted and ignorant.  Ron Paul is one of the most consistent politicians to have ever set foot in Washington.  He has never flip-flopped on an issue.  He votes the way he talks.

    His attitude towards homosexuality simply reveals how uninformed he is on the issue of homosexuality.  He no doubt believes the propaganda that has taught him and the rest of America that homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality.  We know that’s untrue.

    So I ask again, if he changed his views on JUST homosexuality, would he win support again from the religious right who have abandoned him?  I think so.  He still stands firm in his views on abortion.  He’s probably the only candidate that opposes abortion.

    When it comes down to it, the top priority in electing the next president should be to focus on what the country needs most right now.  And what we need is to kick big business out of Washington.  Fix the economy.  Changing the system.  And Ron Paul is the only candidate that can do those things.

    It’s a VERY serious situation.  Our country is about to go bankrupt, again, alongside many other countries.  And the results of that bankruptcy aren’t just going to be a big headline in the paper.  The results will be a global depression, possibly followed by wars on a scale that make WWII look like a schoolyard fight under the flagpole.

    Ron Paul is the only politician that really knows what is going on.  So despite his social views, we need him in the White House.

    Besides, none of the other candidates will probably stand up to the gay agenda either.  THEY are all flip-floppers.

    • Let’s make the top priority … getting the truth of who the candidate is…. then get the best candidate and elect them over Obama. The author’s point is that Ron Paul is being misleading, or frankly doesn’t understand what being an evangelical Christian is and is portraying himself as one. If we start with nominating the person with the best character and skill, then we aren’t settling down the road. I like Ron Paul, but recognize that he struggled understanding what “sin” really is when confronted with it. That’s a concern for a politician calling themselves a Christian. I’m a Michelle Bachmann supporter … because she lives her faith and has been fighting with principle (just like Ron Paul has). They are NOT all flip-floppers.

  • Is Ron Paul an Evangelical Cristian? No. However I think His position on issues has an interesting importunity. Liberal and Homosexual alliances have pushed Christians out of Washington and law through Row Vs Wade and other immoral laws. My point is that Non-Christian agencies have proven to be very powerful at the federal level.
    So what do you do when you lose a fixed game? Change the rules. If each state can choose which moral laws it wants states like Texas and the rest of the bible belt will become a bastion of Christianity overnight while places like California will… remain the same. Think about that for a minute.
    With Ron Paul’s State right stance We get a glass half full verses a completely empty glass like we have now. It isn’t perfect but at least Christian communities can follow the bible.
    The opportunity is that we change the battlefield from a federal court where sin is law to our states where we fight for each state and victory is guaranteed in at least some of them. After the bible belt follows the bible to a T, then we move onto the other states. Think about it, the battle will still be in a deadlock like now but we get some states in the mean time, good deal in my option.

  • You gotta get a kick out of all the hypocrites who hate Ron Paul because he doesn’t pretend to hate gays like all the other presidential frauds. Meanwhile, Gingrich lies and cheats, Romney lies incessantly, Cain lies and sexually assaults people, Santorum just plain lies all the time, Bachmann lies and steals, Perry lies, steals and sleeps with gays and prostitutes, and all of the liars want to go around the world killing civilians.

    Hypocrites. Ron Paul wants to end the pointless wars to stop the killing, free people to live their own lives, and he has the most loving marriage of any of them.

  • The author would be well served to study the principals of federalism as setup by our constitution. Christians can continue to endlessly fight for constitutional amendments on marriage and abortion, all the while the federal government forces us to accept gay marriage and abortion as the law of the land or we can take that power away from the feds by simply passing two bills and at least have a chance at banning these practices in some of the states if not most of them. Maybe if the Church would stop yielding its sphere of authority to the government we wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with.

  • Every one of the Repulicans at a recent debate expressed their support for TORTURE of other people, all but one, Ron Paul….and you think HE is immoral?

  • grandma lliberty

    I am voting for Gingrich….

    • He wants more wars, spending and much more government control. And that’s not to speak of his personal life and how he has treated women… I would never vote for him personally.

  • We can discuss and talk forever about Ron Paul. All I can say as a Christian, be careful and be wise. There is something wrong with someone who professes to be a Christian and does not defend the bible because they are worried how they may be perceived. The fact is there will or is a Antichrist out there. Read your bible, go to church and above all love the lord Jesus!

  • Is this a column or a news article? This seems way too opinionated to be the latter.

  • Answer me this – Christianity aside – as a citizen of these United States, who should vote to uphold the Constitution – WHO is the most Constitutional directed candidate running at this time? THAT is the candidate that you should be voting for.

    Now for the Christian part – which of the candidates has a stronger conservative Christian stance than Ron Paul? Obviously no one is going to have all their ducks in a row when it comes to this – but if not Ron Paul, who is more closely biblical in their views and actions on these issues you all bring up?

    So, in a nutshell I ask – who is more conservative, more Christian and more Constitutional than Ron Paul? Answer that and I think we have a new candidate to discuss.

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